did you read what I said? at all
i said the representation was a sneaky thing that would get past people who would otherwise shut down more blatant narratives
that those narratives were, by their nature, going to be repressed by the racist institutions but sneaky ones would get through
where did i ever say that this was supposed to be enough?
yes, i read everything you said. and then i said, actually, no, the “sneak attack” version of fighting oppression by presenting narratives of oppression with the oppressors as the victim-heroes DOES NOT WORK.
aside from the fact that power structures have never been gently dismantled from within by tenderly tutored sympathetic members of the ruling class but have been torn to the ground and burned by the marginalized, most people do not internalize/examine these storylines when they consume them. and the people that do don’t actually end up with any kind of willingness to listen to marginalized people. they convince themselves that they understand what’s going on and that they know what work is to be done better than the marginalized people they’re talking about. they convince themselves that narratives in which brown boys are racist towards white ones are narratives worth boosting. they imagine this kind of storytelling to be guerilla activism, when all they’re actually doing is treading water. basically, they end up like you.
we have enough people like you. we don’t need more.
the only thing i said that this might be addressing is my saying that systems must be “torn to the ground and burned”. congrats on finding a relatively neat and organized dismantling of a system. it still involved more than half a million people all striking at once — a hugely organized effort on the behalf of the opressed class. and is also about replacing an entire governmental system which certainly was not done through single-party state representation in teen television. and has zilch to do with the kind of social oppression we’ve been talking about. what does this have to do with any other point either of us has made before?
you said it was impossible, I found you an example where it wasn’t
that’s the point
it involved a repressed minority rising up and throwing off their shackles without a single casualty - that is worth mentioning that these things are possible
and if you think the russian overlords didn’t shit on the czech people you’re mistaken
I’m saying the sneaky stories get past racist lines because they’re not expected, i’m saying tey give comfort and introduce anger to people who might not get to see the films of spike lee or read james baldwin or james ellison, who get to see white bread tv and read selected white novels and never learn different.
Racism is learned behaviour and what if one of those sneaky little genre shows gets past their parents and they see an echo of the disenfranchisement they despise too, whether that’s in an episode of star trek, or a short story in the back of playboy (and playboy publishes a lot of challenging sci fi by the way) or a battered copy of slaughterhouse 5
is it worth dismissing the metaphor if that one kid gets it and it reassures them they’re not alone
because at some point all those activists you champion were that one kid who found a piece of art that gave them strength, whether it was a bible verse, or science fiction, and do not underestimate the effect star trek tos had on the activist movement, or a line in a song
we fight for those kids, but shouldn’t we also support those things that support them, that tell them they’re not alone, that someone who looks like Derek can be a victim of sexual abuse, that a girl that looks like erica can be a victim, that the queen bee can break and rise up stronger for it, that not all victims of racism are POCs
not all governments are overthrown with firebombs and death, most are true, but not them all,
I was pointed to the Carnation Revolution in Lisbon as another example
not all racist goverments are executed but are instead forced to flee like in the Ukraine - although they are fighting back fiercely
and those are cases where racism was a problem.
the problem here is i see racism as a problem of people, that people who are racist being in charge makes the system racist
you see the system as racist making the people racist
and both are true
but systems are overthrown by people, and I will always support something that supports change in a person, because one person might not seem like a lot, but every change started with one person
i find your description of the velvet revolution as an isolated shining example of nonviolent resistance that poc should aspire to insulting and poorly reasoned.
here is an explanation you may find more helpful :
however: the people’s ousting of the communist regime in czechoslovakia was built upon DECADES of previous agitation by czechs. in the late 60s, there was the prague spring. this was a period of demands for political liberalization.which were than enacted by a slovak man named alexander dubcek (who was a slovak man, working for the “russian overlords”. funny how things are more complex than you think! there were also slovaks in czechoslovakia!) the soviets (henceforth known as russian overlords, although composed of many different groups and classes within russia and outside, which you would know if you had more than a wiki’s acquaintance with european history! bulgaria and poland also participated in this action against czechoslovakia. but i digress: i’m only pointing out major flaws in your argument, not details) then invaded czechoslovakia. this resulted in dozens of deaths and injuries, including several self-immolations. one brave individual was jan palach (google him, he was a really brave activist.)
why am i talking about events 20 years before the velvet revolution?
BECAUSE HISTORY DOES NOT OPERATE IN A VACUUM.
the only reason the velvet revolution involved a minority peacefully shaking off their oppressors was because it was built on the bloody and anguished struggles of the previous decades. it’s very pretty to think that such change can happen entirely peacefully, but unfortunately, in many cases actual revolts have to happen to tear the system down.
most historians agree that jan palach’s suicide, and the demonstrations that followed in the late sixties, were all long-term catalysts for the velvet revolution. if you read the info at this handy link, http://www.janpalach.cz/en/default/jan-palach/palachuvtyden , you can learn even more.
the velvet revolution was borne out of these tragic and violent, non-peaceful events of the 1960s. the velvet revolution BEGAN with protests commemorating jan and his fellow activists, who fought in the 1960s, on the 20th anniversary of jan palach’s death.
it’s ridiculous to believe that any historical event, especially something as world-changing as a revolution, was borne out of thin air and enacted passively and peacefully. it’s naive. it’s willfully ignorant. it’s especially outrageous to hold something up like this, strip it of its vital context, and declare that every oppressed group follow the exact same “peaceful” route. you are setting an impossible standard for people to enact change: to do so peacefully, calmly, and with no recognition or consideration for their history. you are doing so in defense of your hatred of a latino werewolf on a hit mtv show. get a grip.
I wish I could do Shega for you, but I’m not really comfortable writing James yet :( So I hope you like this Shenko!
For a minute, it feels like nothing’s changed.
Mission debriefings, discussing crew status, watching her six—it’s like muscle memory for Kaidan and he realizes how much he misses working with her. He tells himself that what happened on Horizon is history—that Shepard’s here now—but the thought nags at him like a lingering migraine. He confronts her, and the accusations flow from his mouth like water from a faucet. She takes those allegations and hurls them right back; a curveball that nearly knocks him senseless.
“You of all people should know what I’m about, Kaidan. Please… trust me.”
So he tries.
And when Liara joins them it’s all so familiar, like Kaidan’s seeing the big picture again. It’s falling together bit by bit and he wants to finish it—wants to put that last piece where it belongs—but when he looks at Shepard, suddenly it doesn’t look like it’ll fit and the whole damn puzzle’s ruined. He has to remind himself that this isn’t the time or the place to be thinking about this, so it’s back to business. He burns through thermal clips twice as fast the other two and overloads mechs until they’re nothing but shuddering pieces of magnetic metal on the floor. All that matters right now is completing this mission.
But when Kaidan see what’s under that Cerberus agent’s helmet—
“Is this what they did to you?”
It all hits home. Kaidan’s pointing fingers again, his image of Shepard—his Shepard—is so warped and mangled that all he can see when he looks at her is a husk of who she used to be. The words are angry, not reasonable, and he denies her the opportunity to explain anything because he knows he shouldn’t believe her, but the pounding in his chest when he looks at her pleads otherwise. He pretends not to notice the slight quiver in her bottom lip when he avoids her approach. Guilt plucks at his heart strings.
This wouldn’t hurt so badly if he didn’t still love her so much.